Comments on: [LWC 54] Misanthropic Sororiphilia, Non-Fictional Lacrimalation

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By: lelangir

lelangir — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:38:49 +0000

Sakura: I guess that can be trick because we’re dealing with subjective observation versus objective existence. Considering the latter, the loli is a dependent concept – it needs a concrete anchor (the girl) to apply itself to, since you wouldn’t have the body of a grown man intake the concept of loli. So the young girl is just a young girl, but she inherently has the potential to be considered a loli because that potentiality exists. Considering the former – subjective observation – then I’d probably say that it does depend on the person whether or not the girl in question is considered loli or not. BK: You secretly love Kure-nai. Hoshi: The title was for pretentious enjoyment only. Holden is misanthropic because he hates everyone. He’s a sororiphilia because he has a philia for a sorori (sister), in latin, I think. Non-fiction = true. “Lacrimalation” is a made up word, probably, but the lacrimal glands are the glands that produce tears, so there you get “true” and “tears” = Misanthropic Sororiphilia, Non-Fictional Lacrimalation.

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By: Sakura

Sakura — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:18:18 +0000

@Hoshi, its okay I still get confused by the term myself, since as lelangir points out, there are actually a lot of factors when deciding whether or not a character is Moe and then even with all the factors involved it can still come down to your own personal view.

Kinda like Tsundere, some people consider Haruhi a Tsundere, some don’t.

By: Hoshi

Hoshi — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:53:46 +0000

I prefer Hiromi too, over Noe. And as promised, I’ve read your post and now I’m dropping you a line and saying that even though I’ve read it more than 3 times, it still bamboozles me. :]

However, this isn’t your fault. Big words like “misanthropic” and “sororiphilia” and “lacrimalation” trap me, and although it’s used so much, I still don’t have a clear grasp on what “moe” is…

By: Baka-Raptor

Baka-Raptor — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:15:03 +0000

I shall abstain from bashing Kure-nai.

Jun left town for Noe’s sake. Holden stayed in town for Phoebe’s sake.

…

I suddenly had the urge to bash Kure-nai and forgot where I was going with this…

By: Sakura

Sakura — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:33:33 +0000

@ lelangir, “Then, are all young girls inherently loli? – or is that our perverted mindsets “creating” that meaning?”

Hmm, I would think its our own perverted mindsets creating the meaning.
I remember commenting a while ago on a post about Strawberry Marshmellow about how utterly cute the characters were and someone said that must mean I’m a loli lover.
I remember reading the comment and thinking ewwwwww, yuck. I just mean they are cute, I don’t really think of them in that way. So I guess in my mind I equate the term loli with something perverted.

By: lelangir

lelangir — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:08:16 +0000

Mike: I said I was originally going to write something up but just got too lazy for my own good. Luckily I whipped this up in a night. Going back to loli vs. moe, I said that loli is less discursive because it's more founded upon appearance of age, whereas moe is pretty subjective. However, the concept of age itself is (can be) discursive therefore making loli, by extension, discursive? Hm. I'd still say that lolidom (the state of being a loli) is a little bit more "concrete" than moe. So is Phoebe a loli? OH WAIT I GOT IT. Ok, so, a young girl can only be loli insofar as she is moe. You cannot be loli if you aren't (don't possess?) moe. You can, however, be moe but not a loli (Lucky Star cast, etc.). Or maybe I had already said that? I don't remember. In any case, by that rule, Phoebe is moe because of her actions (not contingent upon age), but her wit and cleverness "de-lolify" her. I would perhaps equate her to Murasaki (if you've seen Kure-nai, which itself would have made an interesting article). But "de-lolifying" presumes the inherent state of lolidom in all young girls. Then, are all young girls inherently loli? - or is that our perverted mindsets "creating" that meaning? Anonymous: I had no idea what lolicon was when I was 16, the first time I read the novel. Catcher ero doujinshi…wow. Better than Macbeth ero doujinshi? IK: You’re right, Holden is a siscon, and he has a siscon. When I was using siscon as an abridged “sister complex” (or, uh, reverse-Japanese loan word?) I completely forgot about (or wasn’t paying attention) to siscon basically equating to having a sister complex. Phoebe can be loli, but since Holden is the only narrator, the reader is subject to a monolithic interpretation of Phoebe. If, perhaps, we saw her through the lens of someone else she would be portrayed as loli. She is moe but not loli. I guess, then, I’m relatively glad I didn’t enter the aniblogoshere until late April as True Tears was probably over by then. And by the time I really started “getting around” more Owen was already internet-less and without much blogging. Sakura: Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed it. That line you quoted, I’ve contradicted myself in the previous words in this comment. I guess I had to tinker with my syllogism a bit. I was correct in saying that I had a tendency to view loli as moe because it has to be – moe is the prerequisite for loli, a more specific type of moe, perhaps.